Romantic Cynic: Not Reaping the Benefits

This song’s a bit more extreme than what I’m going through but aren’t most?  I heard it for the first time during my make-yourself-miserable phase of the mourning period and it stuck with me.  This is essentially what I felt he was saying to me.  Or maybe what I was hoping he was saying…  (Plus, I needed a guitar riff to honor the ex.  Most sappy r&b songs just don’t have those.)

Rascal Flatts “I Feel Bad”

I recently got out of a decent relationship with a good guy.  To be more specific, I was let go.  Much like being laid off, I saw it coming but just tried to keep smiling and pretend as if nothing was happening, waiting for the cloud to pass over.  No one wants to admit they were the one broken up with.  But I find a level of comfort in at least being intelligent and sensitive enough to not be surprised.

Anyway, 3 1/2 months in, things just weren’t working the way they should.  If we were really being honest with each other and ourselves, the same thing could’ve been said a little earlier.  1 1/2 months in, it wasn’t really working…enough.

We looked great on paper; considering the other person to be attractive, intelligent, intriguing, funny, promising.  A 14 year difference and “jungle fever” only made things more interesting.  (The latter not being a real issue but an issue just the same at times when I made it one.)

As much as I’d like to list out all of our problems and why I knew this wasn’t going to work and pat myself on the back for knowing ahead of time but trying, I just can’t.  Sure, there were things that made me raise an eyebrow or made him take a step back.  We liked different things.  When I was ready to slow down, he was ready to speed up.  Our life experiences were drastically different.  (Shit, he actually remembered the 80s! 🙂 )  His confidence can come off smug or arrogant.  My unease can come off defensive, or, worse, indifferent.  But in the end, I’d say it truly came down to one big thing that when ignored, made all of the small things eventually blow up in our faces.

This was the first “real” relationship I’ve had in quite some time, 8 years or so; of relationships altogether, nearly 4.  I don’t have a good explanation for such extreme breaks.  My feelings have been hurt.  I may have even been burned in the past.  But I can’t say that my heart was broken or that I was bitter.  Instead, I found some undue comfort in preventing those things.  Much like other actions generally tied to relationships, abstinence is the only true way to prevent…

For all intensive purposes, I would say this man is a good (not perfect, but good) man and, equally important, could have been good for me.  Unfortunately, I just wasn’t able to do what should come naturally.  Better said, I wouldn’t allow myself to do what did.

For whatever reason, I told myself not to get too excited.  I guess I thought if I kept my reactions calm and under control, I’d be able to prevent going overboard.  I went so far as to downplay my happiness and appreciation around friends, choosing to refer to him by a less than flattering but endearing nickname rather than simply using his name, avoiding the term boyfriend, trying so hard to not appear invested and vulnerable.  Unfortunately, that did not work for him and therefore we did not work.  I was actually dating a man who wanted to know what I was feeling and thinking about us.  He was the first one to speak of an us and call me his girlfriend.  I should have been ecstatic.

This is a longer post.  Depending on your reading speed, you might be in need of another song to get you through the second half.  Sade’s “Soldier of Love”

I was expecting games and slow, if at all, growth.  He offered (and similarly expected) straight honesty and a clear path to deeper.  Once I realized that he was being honest, not playing any games, I truly froze up.  I didnt’ know what to do.  It’s easy to dismiss and/or play along with something fake.  You just tell yourself you’re having a good time, going with the flow, intentionally not getting too invested, not even allowing yourself to daydream things’ll turn into something else.  Realizing someone you genuinely like may actually genuinely like you too should be exciting.  For me, however, it was terrifying and I, unfortunately and unintentionally, shut down.  Externally,  I was there, agreeing, participating, but not really giving.

I wanted to give.  Everything in me wanted to enjoy being happy and do what I could to try to make him as happy.  We both deserved that much.  And to be fair, I did give but it was only the things I’m generally comfortable giving.  I gave my time, my attention, my affection.  I didn’t give the things he went so far as to ask for; my emotions, concerns, fears, joys.

Every time I started to say or do something risky, I caught myself.  There weren’t any voices screaming in my head or flashbacks of horrible experiences.  I just didn’t trust myself, didn’t know how or where to start.  So I never did.  I was so worried what other people would think and whether my efforts/feelings would be understood or enough for him.  Unfortunately, instead of appearing scared, I simply appeared cold.  I cared way more than I let on and nobody understood that until I was upset it was lost.  I did a great job of protecting myself.  (Go me!)  In a sad way, I think I knew not trying would end it but at least I’d play some part in the decision; feeling  some sense of control albeit not positive.

While I wish I could have stepped up and done whatever my head/heart/gut wanted to do in the moment in this situation instead of overthinking and running, I still don’t really have any regrets.  I WILL be that woman eventually, maybe even as soon as next time.  I have the capacity.  I just didn’t have the confidence.  And I think it took me experiencing something that could have been real, could have been something, and essentially ruining it to get it.  His inability, or better unwillingness, to stick around hoping anymore very well might’ve been the swift kick in the ass I needed to wake up.

Despite our failure as a couple, I’m very happy to have considered this man a part of my life.  I don’t know if we’ll be friends but hope we’ll at least be friendly.  If I had a regret, it would be that he won’t be able to reap the benefits of his frustrations with me.  I’ve given more to less deserving people.  (Sad commentary, I know.)  Well…actually… I probably haven’t.  They just got more of the same…

I think I needed a  buffer to get me back into the mindset of dating to do more than satisfy a curiosity or a feeling of loneliness.  I needed something shallow for the sake of shallow but fun, a test run if you will, to get me ready for something potentially real.  Too bad this opportunity, this man didn’t come along after that buffer, rather than partially serving as it.  Things might’ve been different.  We still might not have worked out but it would’ve been because of something that happened between us, rather than something everyone from my mother to bandmate recognize to just be a part of who I am (right now), an onion if you will.  (Please note the Shrek reference.)
But he didn’t come along later, things aren’t different and you know, that’s just fine.  I’m just fine either way.

(Although, I must say, it’s a little frustrating not to be able to say something promising failed because it wasn’t meant to be, rather than being able to narrow it down to your inability to accept being happy as a realistic option.  A really wordy way to say we might’ve still failed but I wish I hadn’t have given myself an easy out.)

Ending the mourning process,

Jo’van

Shades of Understanding: John Mayer’s White Supremacist Dick

He’s douche-baggiest single to date….

John Mayer has been in the news lately.  Instead of dating another tabloid-worthy Hollywood blonde, he’s speaking with PlayBoy and performing an ill-advised brain dump.  Now, I’m a John Mayer fan.  I know that he comes off as, and probably is, a royal douche bag.  But what can I say?  I like his music.  Much like Robin Thicke, he’s a guilty pleasure I feel no need to defend.  I’ll just politely change the music if someone doesn’t care to listen to him whine in my car.

Unfortunately, John Mayer is one of the many recent celebrities who believe and, more importantly, who reporters and fans believe should be heard.  Everyone has an opinion, famous or not.  With the ever-expanding array of access points to celebrities, we learn more than we may need to about our favorite pop stars, rappers, actors and athletes.  Some know how to just be good at what they do without sharing the details of their personal lives (for example Beyonce).  While others attempt to revive dead careers by allowing us access to EVERYTHING (for example Bret Michaels).  Either way, as the fans/consumers, we have to decide just how much we care.  John Mayer’s latest interview reminds me why it’s best to just appreciate the music.  I don’t need to necessarily appreciate the person.

The only reason I paid any attention to this interview was all of the drama following it.  Aside from sharing unsavory details about his obsessions with porn and masturbating, interesting comments about exes and unnecessarily using the N-word to justify a hood pass, John Mayer is apparently not interested in sleeping with black women.  Shocking, I know!  But who cares?   As a black woman, I’m not all that interested in sleeping with him either.  My heart’s not broken.

PlayBoy: Do black women throw themselves at you? 

Mayer: I don’t think I open myself to it. My dick is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a fuckin’ David Duke cock. I’m going to start dating separately from my dick.

I’m not trying to downplay the possible connotations.  Maybe John is a racist.  Maybe he considers his overworked dick too good for a little chocolate.  While eliminating the possibility of a fruitful relationship with a “sista” is unfortunate, it’s not innately wrong.  As long as John sees no problem with other people doing it, he’s completely entitled to his preferences.  If I were to say I prefer black men over white, does that make me a racist or just aware of my preferences?  Somehow I feel Usher wouldn’t be shunned for saying he prefers to date black women…

When probed by the reporter, John admits that he has found some black women attractive.

Mayer: I always thought Holly Robinson Peete was gorgeous. Every white dude loved Hilary from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. And Kerry Washington. She’s superhot, and she’s also white-girl crazy. Kerry Washington would break your heart like a white girl. Just all of a sudden she’d be like, “Yeah, I sucked his dick. Whatever.” And you’d be like, “What? We weren’t talking about that.” That’s what “Heartbreak Warfare” is all about, when a girl uses jealousy as a tactic.

Funny.  I don’t know if that statement is more offensive to black women or white women.  I wonder how he thinks a black woman breaks your heart.  And are all white women manipulative bitches?  Oh John, it may not be that chocolate’s your problem.  You just might like people as immature as you are.

When this interview came out and all of the SHOCKED responses started, I thought there had to be more to this story.  I don’t regularly read PlayBoy articles so I had to look it up.  After reading the entire article, I was more bored and annoyed than offended or outraged.  I understand why these shocked responses about racial comments came out.  Aside from describing a generally goodie two-shoes ex as being sexual napalm, there really wasn’t anything else all that interesting to mention.  John Mayer seems like an intelligent person who attempts to balance sounding important and indifferent.  Somehow he generally manages to just sound like a douche.

What I found more interesting was his description of “being black.”  As a black person, I don’t know if I can describe being black.  Sure, I could spout out historical facts and statistics, but I really feel it’s about experiences related to those facts and stats.  Thank goodness John Mayer could explain it to me.

Mayer: What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted. Taking something that’s seen as a struggle and making it work for you, or you’ll die inside. Not to say that my struggle is like the collective struggle of black America. But maybe my struggle is similar to one black dude’s.

I’m happy you realize your struggles aren’t necessarily equivalent to ours, John.  Very happy.  Now tell me about being Latino or Asian…

Let me state for the record, “I don’t understand why any man would not be attracted to black women.”  We come in all shapes and sizes, features and attributes.  It’s a pity any man would deny himself the love a good black woman but if that’s what he so chooses to do, the fault is on him.  There are plenty of men, black, white and other, who can appreciate our beauty.  Why should we care about John Mayer’s lose?

(Plus, he’s just young and naive.  Everyone knows black women age exceptionally well.  For the most part, our skin stays taut.  Fewer wrinkles, fewer apparent birthdays.  Black don’t crack, baby.  AND we don’t have to tan.  This beautiful bronzed look is year-round, free and natural.  🙂 )

Not feeliing slighted by John Mayer in the least,

Jo’van

Romantic Cynic: Seeking Temptation

Not the perfect fit but what can you do?  Maroon 5 featuring Rihanna “If I Never See Your Face Again”

I’ve recently started to try to be more open to dating.  I’m not overly excited by it or just saying yes but self-inflicted perpetual singledom may have reached its limit.  It’s started to get a little old.  I’d have to give a little credit to my roommate/ex-wife and her boyfriend.  I don’t want him or even what they have.  But he/they have caused me to lose my perpetually single buddy.  It’s really no fun to do it alone.  I could find a new lost-in-singledom comrade or, heaven forbid, abandon the title myself.

Against my own advice, I promised a friend (actually several) that I’d start being nicer to potential suitors.  As with most endeavours (possibly) worth taking, there are going to be bumps, hurdles and tragic moments that eventually become great stories.  In a seemingly very short period of time, I’ve re-encountered the assholes, wholly entitled, douche bags, horn dogs, swingers, dirty old men, unbelievably immature, hopelessly awkward and everything in between.  I’m not expecting (or even hoping) to find the perfect man.  For one thing, I have no idea what he looks like but I’m sure it’s the opposite of whatever I could come up with right now.  And second, I’m not even going to pretend I’m ready for anything that grown-up.  But what I am looking for is temptation.

Now, I don’t mean temptation in the completely physical sense (although that’s definitely part of it).  I’m looking to be excited to see you, worry about what I’m going to wear to see you, feel motivated to do my hair, brush my teeth right before I see you, shave my legs, etc.  Some of that may sound ridiculous but it’s not really.  (Or I really am just ridiculous.  What’s the real difference anyway?)  I need to be nervous, not annoyed.  And believe me, the opposite definitely happens.  And how do you gracefully get out of a situation that’s moved toward annoyance?

I recently spent some time with a gentleman who’d crossed what was a line in the sand turning it into a gulf as wide as the Grand Canyon.  Before I get started on this poor soul, I’ve got to be fair.  He’s nice (enough), intelligent, well-educated, attentive (maybe a little too…), fluent in a language I’d love to speak, has a great career in a highly specialized area of surgery, loves to travel, and I’m sure many other things.  He had a lot of the things that I imagine I’d include in a list of ideal traits in a partner.  However, two very important things were missing: the physical and the emotional.

From the outside, it/we probably looked promising.  He was completely “into” me (although I’d be willing to bet that was mostly physical) and he seemed to be able to keep me engaged intellectually.  Sadly, that couldn’t be the furthest thing from the truth.  True, he was “interested” but it was nearly impossible to determine if that was just in hopes of something physical or a genuine interest in both.  (Come on.  Let’s just be honest.  You can be as intellectually intrigued as you want to be but some level of physical has to be there to push you to continue.)  I, on the other hand,  wasn’t really “feeling” him and was already put off by the way we met.  You see, we met on Halloween.  I was intoxicated and half-naked (refer to Halloween Ho).  It’s rare that I’m that intoxicated and even more rare that I have that much skin exposed in public outside of pools and beaches.  The fact that I drew his continued interest that evening sent up red flags.  Should I take it as a compliment?  Sure.  But does that mean I care to pursue it?  Not really.  Regardless, he ended up with my phone number and called.  I had to decide if I was going to be a jerk or be a little more open.  After a little mental anguish, I thought “what the hell?”

Unfortunately, this gentleman just came on way too strong and way too physically intimate.  At dinner, the conversation was consistent but a little strained.  We were in a booth and he kept getting closer.  While I imagine he thought it was romantic, getting so close that I can’t comfortably lift my fork to eat is not hot.  I like to eat.  And how am I supposed to just take a bite when the conversation dies or gets awkward?  Get away from me.  I don’t know you.  Stop staring at me.  Don’t trace circles on the inside of my palm.   Can’t you read I’m getting tense and ever so slightly scooting away from you?  Telling me that American women are strange in the way we react to invitations and actions is not going to help your case.  I am American after all.  If you have all this background knowledge on our potential reactions, why feel the need to test your hypothesis on me?  If you decide to stroke my face as I’m tensing up and trying to get away, PLEASE don’t try to stick your finger in my mouth!  (No, I’m not kidding.  He did.)  One, I don’t know where those fingers have been, nor am I in a mood not to care.  Two, seriously?  What the hell are you doing?  If I back away, don’t get more aggressive with your desire to open my jaw.  When I ask you what you’re doing and tell you I’ll bite you if you try that again, don’t assume I’m being playful.  I’m serious.  I’ll aim to draw blood.  Get away from me.

Now, I completely understand that this particular man is not normal.  Whatever’s worked for him in the past is simply not my cup of tea.  And if I had felt anything for him, I might have been more understanding, accepting, thought some of it was cute, or willing to explain what I’d like him to do.  But because I really had no desire to be around him, I was just completely turned off by everything he did.  Yes, I realize that probably sounds mean and maybe somewhat conceited.  I’m not saying that I have all of these wonderful men lining up at my feet.  In fact, the only thing by my feet is my puppy Rodman.  But you know what?  If it’s Rodman or a man who gives me the creeps, I’ll take canine companionship every time.  When you find yourself thinking, “Please don’t try to kiss me.  I’d rather finish the DVD.”, it’s probably time to get out.  Like anyone else who’s tried it, I know it’s just not worth trying to force the attraction.

For you, attraction may not mean the carnal, physical impulse.  It could be a more subdued desire to be around/with that person.  (Hoping that around means with.  I’m not promoting stalking.)  But if you don’t have either desire, you don’t really have anything.  If you’re not finding yourself willing to sacrifice your time (and possibly finances) to “hang out” with this person, just stop now.  More than likely the other person is feeling this type of “connection” and you’re running the risk of leading them on and coming out the jerk/bitch.  Cut if off early and save yourself the excess drama.

A good friend of mine constantly tells me that I have to give people (meaning men) a chance.  The hopeless romantic, she chooses to hope/believe things will work out in the end.  Just have fun.  You never know.  (Except I do.  Or at least I’d like to believe I do.)  The best relationship this friend has been in began without the mutual physical attraction.  In fact, there were a few things about this gentleman that didn’t fit her “list”.  She tells me to give the “not gorgeous” a chance.  ( Now, to be fair, my standards aren’t that outrageous.  They’re just particular.  I can’t tell you what I like but I can tell you when I do.  Anyway…)  Of course, I’m not gorgeous.  As I like to say, I’m pleasantly average.  There are times that I can look really good but I rarely look worse that I do on average.  I’m happy with this happy medium.  With this reality and subsequent mindset, I can’t expect to attract anyone too far out of my self-described category.  Although I’ll say that it is a little easier for men.  If you’re cute, you’re just cute. Sure a haircut, fresh shave, nice clothes, etc, can help your case.  But in the end, what you look like in the yard, at the gym, in the office, at the club doesn’t usually change all that much.  Women, on the other hand, have all of these tools to make us look better (while possibly not real).  But that’s an entirely different post.  Ideas….

The one thing my friend fails to mention is that while her man may not have been her ideal physical type, there was “something about him.”  His personality, their conversations, her reactions to him made her want to be around him.  Sure, when he first kissed her, she may have thought, “Why am I kissing this fill in the blank man?”  But she wasn’t thinking, “I’d rather finish the movie.”  It’s just that simple.

Once again, a resolution-less post.  I just wanted to make the point that temptation is a must.  The type and severity of temptations may vary.  Whether you count your successes by how well you resist or give in is completely up to you.  But if you’re not distracted with a smile on your face no one else understands, it’s probably not worth your time.

Looking forward to being unable to focus,

Jo’van

Romantic Cynic: Rebounding from Single?

Beautiful song.  The live performance is even better than the album.  But I’m just not here yet.  Do I have to be?

India.Aire “Ready for Love”

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So I’ve written a lot about being single/alone/lonely lately.  And while I have no new stories to tell to change any of that, I started thinking about something and would love to hear what you think.  Is it possible to rebound from being single?

Context:  A number of friends of mine are newly single.  (The term newly is relative to the person and how long they were in a relationship.)  A group of us are in fact celebrating “Single Ladies Night” or something like that this weekend.  Each one of these newly singled people have experienced a rebound period.  Now, I understand that technically everyone is a rebound after your first [fill in the blank] but for the purpose of this post, let’s consider a rebound to be the traditional possible-mistake-fun-temporary-distraction-from-your-loneliness-attractive person.

We often tell ourselves that rebounds are acceptable as long as you recognize them as being just that, something to make yourself feel better and to eventually move past.  Okay, okay.  You get out of a relationship.  You get to “play around” for a while.  That’s simple enough.  But what’s it called when you’re reintroducing yourself to the possibility of the opposite sex (or same, whatever works for you) after a not-so-brief hiatus?  Are you allowed to rebound from a long-term relationship with yourself?

That question may sound odd but stick with me.  Of course, as with everything on this blog, this question is intensely personal, but I think it’s a valid question for discussion.  Let’s say you have someone who’s avoided any type of more than platonic relationship for, say, 2 years or more.  And let’s also add that that person’s no longer of college age or mentality.  Does this person have to jump into something, date with a higher purpose, or put any other such limitations on themselves?  Can they just treat this time as a rebound period to eventually move past?

Leaving perpetual singledom, a place with total control of your actions, emotions and circumstances, can be scary if not handled delicately.  Is there room for working your way back in, the kiddie pool of dating?  Yeah, that sounds about right; shallow, instantly warmer than the big pool and no need for the assistance of a ladder out.

Of course, no one should enter a relationship prematurely, just because it sounds like the “adult” thing to do.  But if you’re not emotionally scarred, do you have an excuse to be selfish, blinded by temporary intrigue, or even, heaven forbid, opportunistic?  I’m not saying I’ve done any of this….  But I’m also not saying I’m not capable.  IF (yes, big if) a long-term single were to partake in some temporary intrigue, can you call it a rebound?  Or are there other choice terms they’d be labeled with?

Hypothecially asking of course….

Jo’van

Romantic Cynic: What’s on Your Men-U/Fine List?

Back in high school, my friends and I would create these obnoxious but innocent enough lists, Men-U’s if you will, of the qualities we were looking for in a boyfriend.  They would say things like “nice arms, over 6’1, gets along with my friends, smart enough to help me with Calculus homework, etc.”  Whatever the case might be, these lists made us feel we had the right to strive for something idealistic.  Obviously, none of us would fulfill the ideal lists, Fine Lists, any of our male classmates might come up with but oh well.  While the lists were very limiting, they were all in good fun and we knew no such “perfect” person existed but we could at least hope.  Maybe they just helped us prioritize.  I always said they weren’t in ranking order but maybe they should’ve been…

Anyway, it’s been years since I created one of these lists and hope that I’ve outgrown them but a comment a friend made recently made me think about these lists and what a revised 2009, 25-year-old version would look like.  While Chivis has known me for three years, she’s never seen me “with” someone.  The random “he’s cute” here and there was all she had to determine “my type”.  So after old and new “friends” started to emerge and she’d seen their pictures, I was told that I would need to lower my (physical) standards for Austin.  The personalities of these friends are all very different and there is something endearing (at least to me) about them but that particular conversation came down to the physical.

No offense to the men in Austin.  I’m sure there are plenty of handsome, single, straight (very important distinction for Austin I’ve learned) men here but I’m just not being as lucky at drawing their attention as I might have been other places.  There are plenty of reasons for this that we’ll not need to go into.  It’s just interesting to me that from seeing the photos of three male “friends”, Chivis decided my problem was not my personality, where I am or am not meeting people, the people I’m meeting, or anything else like that.  It was my standards and my physical standards at that.

Granted, I will have to admit that the three “friends” she did see were very attractive but at least for two of them, that’s not the first thing I noticed about them or what drew me in.  For (almost) every guy I’ve ever been interested in, their personality was much more important than their physical.  Yes, attraction must be there and I’ve learned the hard way that trying to “create” the physical attraction is just not a good idea. But I’ve also learned the hard way that just attraction equals near immediate boredom.  I can’t afford more boredom in my life.  I need excitement, challenge, intrigue.  If looking at a picture can give me just about everything being with you can, I’ve got to move on (as sad as it may be to watch you go).

I’m not sure if the items on my Men-U have grown or shrank but I am sure they’ve evolved at least a little.  Nice arms and over 6’1 would still be great but I’d be more than happy to give up a little firmness and a few inches for a similar sense of humor and the ability to just sit in silence together.  Little things, really.  In high school having  a boyfriend/girlfriend was almost a status symbol.  Now it seems like it means you’re lucky or skilled enough to draw someone else willingly into your craziness.

What’s on your Men-U/Fine List?  Are all of the things that were SO important to you when you were 16 still important?  If you’re in a relationship or just out of a (for the most part) really good one, what did you give up or settle on?  What things did you get that you never knew you wanted?  The perpetually single one would like to know.

Wishing she could find just one of those lists from junior year,

Jo’van

Romantic Cynic: Not the Type to Take to Prom

I’ve been recently thinking about my perpetual (largely self-induced) singledom and remembered something a friend told me in high school that makes me wonder if the guys I meet think the same way today and whether that would be such a bad thing.

In high school, I remember approaching a male friend to ask about something (who knows what).  For some reason, he thought I was going to ask him to prom.  (To this day, I have no idea how he came to that conclusion.  Going to prom with him still sounds like a horrible idea 7 years later.)  Anyway, he stopped me and kind of stepped back.  “You’re cool but you’re not the kind of girl I’d take to prom.”  What?! First, I was confused why he would think I would ask him and second, I was offended.  (Oh, high school drama).  After being stunned, I laughed and then got angry.  Realizing he’d completely misread my intentions, he kind of stammered and tried to talk his way out of it. (Typically a bad idea with me.  Stop, collect your thoughts, and proceed.  I pay too much attention and will tear apart every stupid comment you make in explanation.)  He proceeded to tell me that we’re good friends and all, but he doesn’t see me like that, blah, blah, blah.  Well, good.  I didn’t seem him that way either.  But since he’d brought it up, why didn’t he see me like that?  What type of girl was I?  Was it because of my race/ethnicity?  Height? Weight? Personality? Religion? What?  After realizing he’d have no choice but to be honest, he told me, “You’re not the type of girl to take to prom.  You’re the type to marry.”

Well, okay then.  What do you do with that?  Knowing him and his interests, I had no choice but to translate that to mean I’m not the type to take out in hopes of immediate sex.  I’m the type to actually date.  There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.  It’s actually a good thing.  But where does that leave someone like me 7 years later?  I’d like to believe that statement still holds true for me but are there new dimensions to add as I approach 25, not 18?  At what point do girls/ladies/women like me start to become the goal and not the concern?  And is there a middle ground for us?  Does this type of statement mean you respect us but realize you’re not ready for us yet?  Or that we’re more effort than you’re willing to expend in general?  Or does it just sound like something a girl you’re not interested in should like to hear?

Never hoping to be a whore, does the idea of dating someone worth marrying scare men my age the same way the statement scares me?  Yes, I do believe I’m the type to marry but please don’t discuss marriage with me within the first few months of knowing each other.  I believe in the institution but don’t see it anywhere in my near future.  Telling me you’re looking for a “mate” on our third date (yes, it has happened) is a sure fire way to guarantee there will not be a fourth.  Have I switched places with my friend from high school?  Does my fear of someone looking for a wife in the short term mimic my friend’s fear of a girl looking to actually date before giving it up?  While I’m not looking for a one-night stand, I would like to date for fun and get to know you, no future agenda immediately in mind.  Do I still want to be the type to marry as the men I encounter are in search of wives and the future mothers of their children?

While it creates awkward situations, I think yes.  I’m afraid of what the alternate descriptions might be.  Plus, in addition to the “ready to get married yesterday” guys, there are plenty of the “after I’ve seen everything, I hope to never see you again” as well as the “let’s see where this goes” guys.  I just have to make sure I’m not judging them all by my insecurities and assumptions.  However, for the record, can I request that I be seen as the type of woman to marry (after an appropriate, comfortable length of time dating)?

Admiring a ring-less left hand,

Jo’van

Romantic Cynic: Dating in the Group

Should you ever date in the group?  This question has come up for a couple of friends of mine lately.  When and how should this happen?  Is it selfish to not want to risk the group dynamic for a more personal relationship?  Does it have to be a choice?  These are all good questions and since I don’t have the answer I’ll just give you a few more to consider…

1.) Would this type of group accept and/or condone your “special” relationship?  I agree that no one can make decisions of the heart for you but they can make a particular option less comfortable than another.

2.) Has this person had other “special” relationships in the group? An ex can give you a good idea of what to expect OR jealously/bitterly make things much more difficult for you within the group.

3.) Who’s group is it really?  Should this not work out would you be facing a joint-custody situation?  Or would one of you essentially have to leave the group as a whole?

4.) Are you ready to mix your worlds?  How do you operate?  Do you keep your relationships separate from your friendships?  Are you ready for the group to know ALL of your business?

5.) Is the group or an individual in the group pushing you two together?  Who’s idea was this “special” relationship in the first place?  Although they may mean well, matchmakers aren’t always realistic, just hopeful.

6.) On the flip-side, is there someone in the group not as enthusiastic about this possible “special” relationship as you’d expect them to be?  If so, it might be worth it to pick their brain.  Often our friends see things we chose to ignore when they might affect the decision we want to make.

7.) Most importantly, are you genuinely interested in this person and willing to “see whatever happens”?  If so, none of these other questions matter. 

You can be respectful of the group AND go for broke all at the same time IF it’s worth it to you at that moment.  Sometimes things in a group happen naturally.  If so, go for it.  The easy transition from group friend to “special” friend probably means something.  However, if any part of it seems forced, it might be time to reconsider.  Anything remotely romantic or sexual can do a lot more damage than a platonic argument within a group. 

We form and join groups for various reasons; protection, inclusion, distraction, encouragement, whatever. Sometimes there’s nothing wrong with valuing those reasons above any other.  We may not be able (or want) to risk our current place and role in the group.

Just thinking,

Jo’van

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